Why do ordinary people get stuck in the dark astral

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Why do ordinary people get stuck in the dark astral

Postby Jettins » Tue Apr 09, 2013 10:16 am

Sean wrote:Hi Folks, Sean here. Hope this is a good spot to start this discussion, as it's OBE related but a little off-topic.

I've started writing articles about the big mysteries - for a new website I have planned.
I've been doing a lot of book research, but I need some advice.

While researching near death experiences I became aware of the negative ones people were having. Something I had at first dismissed as an anomaly.
This lead to my discovery of the concepts of the planes of existence. Including the lower or dark astral. Wow. Booooo.

Here's what I've been able to piece together...

The Realms
Earthbound plane - ghosts and such.
Astral plane - ranges from dark to light.
Many higher planes beyond - hooray!
Separated by vibration/energy/light levels. Sound about right so far?

The destination
Had a really successful life full of love and service to humanity? - shoot straight to one of the higher realms.
Had a life with lots of hate, anger, selfishness, extreme desires etc? - get mired in the dark astral until ready to let it go and atone.
Oversimplified to the point of sounding flippant I know. Or uninformed maybe.

The question I'm having trouble with - hoping for insights
Okay, so my star map is coming along fine (I hope). But what is the deal with seemingly everyday people who find themselves in the dark astral??
Particularly in near death experiences. I mean, if the astral acts with a kind of spiritual gravity, why aren't these people floating straight up?
These people are often generally good people with some flaws. Just like most people right?

The only plausible answers I've been able to come up with are insubstantial (pun unintended) at best.
The flaws in their lifestyle or character was enough to cause them troubles.
It is part of a shedding of their old personality.
They got lost. Seduced by the dark side on the way through.
And a bunch of random stuff about 'journey of the hero' and shamanistic initiations.

Hmm. Any insights?
Cheers, Sean.
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Re: Why do ordinary people get stuck in the dark astral

Postby Jettins » Tue Apr 09, 2013 10:18 am

While researching near death experiences I became aware of the negative ones people were having. Something I had at first dismissed as an anomaly.

I would recommend the book Blessing in Disguise by Barbara Rommer if you haven’t already researched it.

The Realms
Earthbound plane - ghosts and such.
Astral plane - ranges from dark to light.
Many higher planes beyond - hooray!
Separated by vibration/energy/light levels. Sound about right so far?

You can view it as such if you like Sean, it wouldn’t be a bad way of putting it to explain things to the uninformed. The problem is that it doesn’t really explain anything when you really think about it does it?

I have a different way of viewing how this works. The things you have mentioned such as light, dark vibrations and energy isn’t that at all, instead it is a state of being. The Astral substance or our projected self while in the Astral Dimensions (often called the “subtle body”), is actually our psychological make-up or psyche. The visual scenarios of light and whatever light can create as a visual representation is our psyche. So does this mean we create the light? Yes, we create the light and the dark and whatever else is experienced. This makes no sense, so how do separate beings exist if we create what is experienced? We create them by the using our inner senses. I will explain.

In physical reality if a person was to close their eyes they could say that they aren’t creating anything because they are shut in themselves in mediation. Even though a person is right in front of them they will not be able to see him. Similarly the same happens in the Astral Realms but instead of closing your eyes as one would do in physical reality, a person would instead close their psychic sense. This is what creates the darkness, no not because they can’t see light but because the person is not able to perceive things outside of themselves.

Are you saying that people are dark inside which is why they can’t see light? No. I am saying that darkness is not lack of light; darkness is lack of psychic perception or intuition. More interesting question surface our awareness. If darkness is lack of psychic perception wouldn’t this meant that people get trapped in whatever their psychological profile demands while in the realms? Precisely, the things people experience (see, feel, touch) in the astral realms are a projection of their state of being. What is state of being, you’re confusing me now? A person psychological profile or psyche defines their “state of being” or how they need to exist, which then creates their subtle body or astral substance, this then will establish which “dimension of being” or Astral Realm which they fit into. Wouldn’t this mean that our reality in the astral realms is psychological? Indeed, but is more. While still in a human body a person might have an addiction. Wait, so is this addiction a biological effect of being exposed to a substance or a psychological need of our consciousness as you seem to be saying? Interesting questions start to surface. It is exposure to being a human being and living the human condition. We can become intoxicated to physical existence, it then becomes very difficult to see things outside of what we have been conditioned to by an intoxicating substance or even by what we have been programmed to believe.

Ok, this is starting to make sense. So you’re saying that people create their own sense of limited reality. How does this explain what people experience after death or even in the astral realms? People inability to open out to things outside of themselves creates a tunnel vision type of effect essentially diminishing psychic perception. In physical reality they can easily ignore it and look someplace else, but what do you think would happen if they do this in the astral realms? In the astral realms they wouldn’t be able to see or experience anything else but THEIR OWN perpetually sustained psychological reality. Yes, the reality with all the flaws that a person might have indeed. You mentioned ghosts?

As a general rule in the astral realms people are allowed to create and sustain their reality as they want. Those that choice to want to control or harm others will cause their psychic senses to diminish (often referred as lower vibration), so that they are able to interact with like beings (often identified with the lower dimensions) even if the source of the negativity is unintentional. The psychic talk is confusing me, can you explain more? People in the astral realms aren’t “people” but instead they are their psychological representation and manifestation. In physical reality we can talk to a person verbally, but in the Astral Realms we can talk to people telepathically. How is this possible? It is possible because we are “sensing and acknowledging” their psychological existence. It is a consciousness field in which we exist and navigate psychically with our minds. If a person prefers not to interact in such a way they would be closed, rendering others invisible and inaccessible. Does this create the closed off realities people might find themselves in? I mean I have read stories about people existing after death doing some very bizarre and mundane things! Indeed, this is often referred to as existing in a “lower vibrational” state yet if we re-think about it they are really metaphors of being. Nobody is really vibrating non-physically it is only the perception of it.

But what is the deal with seemingly everyday people who find themselves in the dark astral??

It's not because people have been bad or are evil, as some belief systems might try to do. It is simply because a person has not developed the inner psychic perception while at the same time unable to make sense of their inner reality. So instead of having interesting occurrences, they instead unintentionally fall back to their state of being as define by their human condition. Fear of the unknown, conditioning by belief systems, lack of experience, inability to deal with inner personal issues and a variety of changing influences create a “closing the door” type effect in the astral realms. What is really closing? The ability of an individual to psychic perceive things outside of themselves, without the psychological baggage distorting the reality of the astral dimensions. The people unwilling or unable to create a state of being free from destructive elements will render their psychic self inert and unable to perceive greater realities. OK, so this would explain why our “state of being”, or our psychology determines the astral dimension we experience, because it is really our “dimension of being”. That’s right.

Now we have to take a look at your question from another angle to fully understand this. There is no time in the astral realms only the perception of it. Consciousness creates Time as needed as it creates the 4th dimensional space or the space in which it feels it exists. (This is why we can jump to different dimensions and realities without moving in the Astral Realms). Ok so if we are creating time as needed, then does this mean that we create experience as needed too? Precisely, consciousness exists outside time/space so it creates experience on a “state of readiness” basis. In physical existence we all accept that we can learn from bad experiences, but in non-physical existences we think this is only bad? It’s the same, we can learn from them. Becoming exposed to our inner conflicts in a way that we cannot deny or become distracted as we do in physical reality is one of the greatest gift the astral realms have to offer in preparation to our permanent stay. Human consciousness wants to find what is best for itself in the Astral, yet for this it might need to realize a few things.

I mean, if the astral acts with a kind of spiritual gravity, why aren't these people floating straight up?

People would get bored going straight up. As they are not ready for it, they instead want to deal with the mundane type of realities that aren’t associated with the heavenly realms. But don’t people want to go to heaven? Many people believe they do as a child wanting to become a princes when she grows up. How many people are actually preparing to give up on the stupidities of the human condition? Wait, but doesn’t psychic potential determine the astral dimension? Fear of the unknown, conditioning by belief systems, lack of experience, inability to deal with inner personal issues and a variety of changing influences can give us a myopic effect making more advanced or evolved methods of existing difficult grasp and experience (the higher realms).

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