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lower heavens

PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 11:51 pm
by phaser24
Jettins mentioned the lower heavens in one of his posts. Reminded me of Robert Monroe who mentions in one of his books an area in the astral containing all the false heavens and hells. I've never been able to find this area. I'm wondering if the lower heavens are the same area and if anyone has any ideas on how I could go about reaching them?

Re: lower heavens

PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 9:59 am
by Szaxx
There's speculation over the issue of vibration, frequency, higher and lower planes. Some attempts to rationalize this over time (centuries) all over the world have been made through various ideologies dependant upon the religious and spiritual beliefs for that time and location. It's made through interpretation of the experiences and as thoughts manifest this has added to the confusion. Labels given are made as a reference to our physical existance but the wider reality itself is anything but physical.
Through recent decades an open minded perspective has been adopted. Some authors have attempted to label individual areas of commonalities, this is useful in an explanation but suffers greatly at the area of intersection.
In all these variations a commonality does appear. It's the frequency or vibration if using the older accepted label. The difference can be noticed in some experiences where a background noise is present initially in the experience. A slow hum or almost clicking noise akin to that produced by a two stroke motorcycle engine being most common. The low clicking experience produced a bad ambience and the indigenous to that environment were somewhat unsavory. As this clicking is increased by intent, the frequency of it rises. An experience in an environment with a whistle sounding initially is a far more pleasant experience. If you increase this far higher, your experience tends towards having no form and the environment is made of light in a myriad of shifting colours. Taking this initial frequency to the highest imaginable you enter an environment that appears of no more than pure white light. In this you are one with everything and everything is one. The ambience experienced is that great in positivity in all aspects you never want to leave. Everything is a formless thought, a singularity of pureness. Words fail to give an accurate description.

The first question is, "Have you experienced this two stroke motorcycle ticking over at the initiation of any experiences"?

Re: lower heavens

PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 2:04 am
by phaser24
No, can't say that I have. But thanks for your answer.

Re: lower heavens

PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 9:07 pm
by Jettins
Hello Phazer24,

There's some shares that don't make it to this forum. I'm not sure which post it was that you read. I don't like to talk about anything that I didn't derived from direct experience.., so it happens that some of the language will be different. Regardless, it is the practical insight that I value the most.