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Same book, different page.

Postby Bedeekin » Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:42 am

So far... this is a great collection of peeps on here Xanth. You seem to have brought a balance to the force. It's made me see more clearly the different views of individuals that can be placed within specific groups... just like physical reality. Here is my list of 'Types'.

The Lucid Dreamers... These generally stick to the idea that all nonphysical experiences are Lucid Dreams. Whether it be from Sleep Paralysis or through a dream. They tend not to theorise too much and it seems to be a 50/50 on whether there is more to it than a chemical reaction of a meat based brain. They usually do it to do cool stuff like fly and be superhuman. It's cool to control your dreams right?

The OOBErs (Out of Body Experiencers)... these tend to stick to the idea of a RTZ projection being the only true one. They relate 'Astral Projection' as a different animal more closely related to dreams and stick to their guns that they actually externalise a type of second (ethereal) body or soul. OOBEs rule!! This group gets upset quickly... generally by the APers.

The APers (Astral Projectors) ... These class themselves as spiritual generally speaking. They use a system that relies on an esoteric view originally defined by the theosophical movement that combined many eastern philosophies into one big westernised mass. They categorise different types of projection into specific subtle body types. This is a popular view with lots of props and metaphors... like crystals, energy work and chakras etc. Usually taken on board by the modern newbie.

The love and lightworkers. These are more closely related to the APers but go that one step further by fully embracing the cosmic super-galactic oneness attitude.. they tend to wear dream catchers around their neck and are a modern version of the hippie... they are generally vegan and sign off a post with 'namaste' or 'Love and light to you and yours'.

The Magicians. These embrace the black magic or Wiccan view. Will use spells to ward off demons.. or incantations to manifest them. Horoscopes and tarot cards are essential accessories. Prone to write long posts with symbols and diagrams of sacred geometry. Usually have a poster or avatar of a pentagram or Aleister Crowley holding his fists to his face.

The Hardcore Materialists These are of Russian origin and flatly point to it all being nothing but 'meat brain' materialism. They will announce how amazingly mind expanding it is, but 'meat based'. How you can use it to learn new things, but 'meat based'. How you can find lost objects, but still 'meat based'. Will produce very dodgy documentaries and try everything in their power to promote it as 'meat based'. Everything is 'phase'... apart form the 'meat based' bit. Will use pretty 'meat' to promote their materialism.

The phaser A relatively new and balanced group of individuals that use meditation to project. Prone to being a bit too vague for the newbie with words such as 'passively observe' and 'surrender'. Previous to learning about phasing, they will have tried every other method in the past but failed. Because of this it's the best method for everyone.

The My Big Toeists Devout followers of Thomas Campbell. Usually over the age of 40. They use very frustrating circular argument for those who dare to contradict Tom Campbell and his theories. Can be seen in Campbell lectures throughout the world. Can be misconstrued as a cult to the outsider. Would happily have a copy of MBT in every hotel room in every country. Everything is DATA.

The armchair APer They will have read EVERYTHING... but just don't seem to project. However. This doesn't dissuade them from telling actual projectors what it is and the best way to do it. Prone to YoYo thinking due to their noncommittal attitude and whatever book/website they are reading at the time.

The Newbie aaaah... the newbie. Has also read everything they think they need to know before they attempt projecting only to realise it's not as easy as getting a phone app. Will vehemently try every binaural beat there is and will say 'almost there' frequently. Will have success and want to know if they succeeded. It's all open ground... demons, silver chords and possession is entirely possible.

I will say.. it takes one to know one... I have been a few of these in the past.. and I hope it made you smile a little.

There are probably a few 'groupings' I missed.
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Re: Same book, different page.

Postby ChopstickFox » Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:53 am

This was entertaining :)
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Re: Same book, different page.

Postby Jack Reacher » Thu Mar 21, 2013 4:44 am

I laughed hard at the binaural beat part, lord knows how desperate I was to stoop to that.

All I can add is, we are all in this together.
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Re: Same book, different page.

Postby Bedeekin » Thu Mar 21, 2013 4:53 am

So true. It was a pleasure writing that actually... I was laughing hard at the different projectors because it made me realise how much we all have in common... we have all been through at least one stage on the list or are a mix of all.... and we all recognise the types... like I said... it takes one to know one.

I felt a lot of warmth when I did the newbie one. They are so desperate and eager to learn it... makes my heart hurt... in a nice way. :)
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Re: Same book, different page.

Postby Jack Reacher » Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:07 am

You know after some previous conversaions on this site I walked away thinking... regardless of what anyone says about anything, who can deny that we aren't all in i together? That idea of a singular thing that unites us I feel is more powerful than any religion or belief system. And then I see this title :D

...Of course tomorrow I will say that well we aren't in it together due to social-economic inequalities and we are all very different people etc etc...
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Re: Same book, different page.

Postby CFTraveler » Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:33 pm

Hey, I'm an OBEr who phases a lot, and a mystic too. Should I offend myself?
BTW, I loved it.
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Re: Same book, different page.

Postby Xanth » Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:01 pm

Blood brilliant, Bedeekin. :D
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Re: Same book, different page.

Postby Bedeekin » Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:27 pm

Xanth wrote:Blood brilliant, Bedeekin. :D


I thought you'd like it. ;)

Lionheart... that is one majestic avatar you have there. :)
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Re: Same book, different page.

Postby Zagadka » Fri Mar 22, 2013 4:08 pm

Hahaha, got me laughing out loud, I love your sarcastic sense of humor!... But it got me thinking how easy it is to get lost in this book... this is why I am staying open-minded and that is why I decided to read and participate a tad bit more in message boards. I am currently a mix of the newbie - aper - phaser and I feel a little intimidated sometimes to ask / post something that may seem of little value to those who have been projecting for 10+ years. So let it be said: If you don't like what I post fuck off... no just kidding, be patient with me, what I have been reading on this blog was extremely useful and I expect no less from the exchange on the message board!
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Re: Same book, different page.

Postby Bedeekin » Fri Mar 22, 2013 4:16 pm

It's probably the things you feel are of little value that probably are of great value.

I have decided to become the first astral comedy writer dont you know. :D

I havent really... but there is a gaping hole when it comes to humour in this subject.
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Re: Same book, different page.

Postby astralzombie » Fri Mar 22, 2013 5:03 pm

Bedeekin wrote:
Xanth wrote:Blood brilliant, Bedeekin. :D



Lionheart... that is one majestic avatar you have there. :)


Isn't it really? This one doesn't do him justice. The same one on the pulse shows all the sparkly stuff.

I think you forgot the scared and timid OOBEr. The one who is afraid of anything and everything at first. Or does that apply to all at different times? I know that was me for more than just a short time. :lol:
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Re: Same book, different page.

Postby Bedeekin » Fri Mar 22, 2013 5:37 pm

hehe.. maybe that's classed in the 'Newbie' section.

I was scared at first... then I wasn't... then it got real and I was again... then I wasn't.
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Re: Same book, different page.

Postby CFTraveler » Fri Mar 22, 2013 6:09 pm

Bedeekin wrote:It's probably the things you feel are of little value that probably are of great value.

I have decided to become the first astral comedy writer dont you know. :D

I havent really... but there is a gaping hole when it comes to humour in this subject.

I agree, wholeheartedly.
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Re: Same book, different page.

Postby ChopstickFox » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:49 am

Gotta do stand up astral comedy
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Re: Same book, different page.

Postby Xanth » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:06 am

I'll be there! Would definitely give me something to focus on... my focus has been crap lately. LOL
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Re: Same book, different page.

Postby Majic » Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:39 am

Great read and so you dont put me in a box posting under Majic I use that because it is one way to spell my last name :D

You might have to add one more class, someone that almost refuses to use a label but have to because at times its the only way to make a point, someone that does not really have any beliefs at all, someone that by nature cant help but take the other view, and someone that wants to get so far beyond the playground of the dream (the visual interface) that the question is long forgotton

All good and enjoying this place
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Re: Same book, different page.

Postby Xanth » Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:54 pm

I was just reading this list again... I simply must share this with the world. LOL
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Re: Same book, different page.

Postby Sinera » Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:08 pm

Cool list. :lol:

Normally I don't want to attach any labels at all to me. This maybe, how ironic, makes me eligible for other labels such as mystic or Watts-&-Tolle-ist, or anti-ego-ist or even a downright Tao/Buddhist - btw, maybe that's a grouping still missing in the list? ;) .

But if I had to choose, where I'd see myself, I'd go for: APers (but with a certain touch of Toeists (and yes, I really believe this can chime together very well!)

Anyway, great read, really enjoyed it.

Btw, where do you all see yourselves if you had to (multiple category choice allowed)?
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Re: Same book, different page.

Postby Jettins » Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:34 pm

Interesting list, but it's more for fun than informative which is OK.

As I was reading I was trying to see in which category I could fit.

The APers (Astral Projectors) sounded like the right category, but then you mentioned about subtle body types, crystals, energy work, chakras and you lost me. To me it's about perceptional awareness, but I will share the full model another day.

What I do is consider the views of everyone in the process of creating my own system. It's helped me as a starting point, then I make my own theories based on the information and insights from my astral travels.

First one would need to go to the same areas many times in the astral realms to get some sense.
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Re: Same book, different page.

Postby Xanth » Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:41 am

Oh yes, it's entirely in jest. :)

Definitely not to be taken seriously.

For me, I'm obviously, the Phaser. hehe
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