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Quantum Mechanics: a misunderstanding of duality

Postby wstein » Sun Sep 15, 2013 8:51 pm

One of the most known well known confounding aspects of quantum mechanics is the wave-particle duality. Many experiments have convincingly shown that fundamental particles (and some larger ones too) sometimes act like waves and sometimes act like particles. Even more confusing is that this seems to be affected by being observed (measured). Even if measured after some event (to deduce what happened earlier), the particles act as if they ‘know’ they are going to measure later (they act like particles). Only never measured particles seem to behave as waves. It’s as if they have some way to look in the future.

It my contention that there is no (confusing) duality, there are actually two different phenomena that scientists have confused as a singular thing.

The ‘wave’ portion of quantum mechanics relates to ‘reality’ as it actually is. More properly, quantum mechanics describes a matrix of possibilities and associated probabilities of getting various results if a ‘system’ is measured. This field is the actuality (substance, manifest aspects) of the ‘universe’. One easily overlooked aspect of this probability field is that though its infinite, not everything is possible at any given ‘location’ in the field. Some things are very likely, some are possible, and some are not possible. Elsewhere in the field different possibilities are more or less likely, thus in the larger reality all possibilities are ‘somewhere’, just not everywhere.

The ‘particle’ portion of quantum mechanics relates to measurements of reality. Scientists have confused the ‘results’ from their attempt to measure reality for reality itself. Correctly speaking the result of a measurement is information (data). In a correctly designed experiment this information relates a subset of the probability field at a given point. In practice, for most experiments this means a singular selection from the range of possibilities is reported. Because the probability field has a wide range of possibilities, repeated measurement at the same location will yield different ‘results’. That is not because the probability field has changed but because the results of a measurement are probabilistic. As some possibilities are more probable, those results tend to be measured more. The uncertainty often referred to in quantum mechanics is not the field being uncertain but rather an uncertainty about the information that would be revealed in future measurements. There is additional uncertainty as remaining stationary within the probability field is practically impossible for most measuring devices. As such, additional measurements will be from slightly different points in the field where the probabilities are likely slightly different.

Many of the experiences associated with daily life like cause and effect, and time are artifacts drawn from multiple measurements and attempting to draw conclusions from those results. This ‘interpretation’ of reality (not reality itself) can be easily shown for what it is. Measure two elevations on a hill. Does the hill slope up or down? Depending on which measurement one considers to be ‘first’ and which one is ‘second’ determines the (correct) answer to the question. In fact the actual hill just has uneven elevation (more or less by definition). Any concept of sloping direction only pertains to an observer and their interpretation of some measurements. Note that re-measuring the same two point in the same order might yield data indicating the opposite direction of slope. That’s not because the hill changed nor the measurements incorrect, it’s because each measurement only provides one possible result out of many (not to be confused with random).

In summary, the information created from measuring the probability field is not fundamental reality. Because scientists work primarily with information, they easily confuse that information as representing reality itself.
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Re: Quantum Mechanics: a misunderstanding of duality

Postby Taoistguy » Mon Sep 16, 2013 1:08 pm

Thanks for that, but not sure I understand it all (yet).
Very scientific and technical.
Are you able to condense it into something more manageable? :)
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Re: Quantum Mechanics: a misunderstanding of duality

Postby wstein » Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:24 pm

Taoistguy wrote:Thanks for that, but not sure I understand it all (yet).
I doubt that anyone on Earth understands all of what quantum mechanics really means.
Taoistguy wrote:Very scientific and technical.
In a way yes. However, its not so far from the interaction of spirit and incarnation.
Taoistguy wrote:Are you able to condense it into something more manageable? :)
Hmm, what is the Smiley for black hole??

If you can formulate some questions, I will try to answer them.
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Re: Quantum Mechanics: a misunderstanding of duality

Postby Taoistguy » Tue Sep 17, 2013 1:05 am

Does quantum mechanics bring you peace?
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Re: Quantum Mechanics: a misunderstanding of duality

Postby CFTraveler » Tue Sep 17, 2013 3:18 pm

Loved it.
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Re: Quantum Mechanics: a misunderstanding of duality

Postby wstein » Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:16 pm

Taoistguy wrote:Does quantum mechanics bring you peace?
Pretty much no. Peace mostly comes from within, something quantum mechanics says nothing about.

Quantum mechanics is a model that when applied allows manipulation of matter and energy. This pretty much limits its scope of usefulness to physical reality in this universe. Pretty much all of digital technology today was enabled by quantum mechanics principles. As you I am sure you can see for yourself, it has changed life a lot but there is little sign of peaceful times.
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Re: Quantum Mechanics: a misunderstanding of duality

Postby Majic » Wed Sep 18, 2013 3:47 am

It seems that Quantum mechanics is a way to look at really small stuff with odd properties and somehow because of a lack of understanding it crosses to the world that we create in our minds that we dont really understand and the two are forever joined due to urban myth and a lack of understanding. LOL - is that the link
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Re: Quantum Mechanics: a misunderstanding of duality

Postby wstein » Wed Sep 18, 2013 9:12 pm

Majic wrote:It seems that Quantum mechanics is a way to look at really small stuff with odd properties and somehow because of a lack of understanding it crosses to the world that we create in our minds that we dont really understand and the two are forever joined due to urban myth and a lack of understanding. LOL - is that the link
The world created in our minds is due to a misunderstanding of 'the really small stuff''. Since some believe they understand, they treat the misunderstanding as the reality. Funny but not so funny ...
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Re: Quantum Mechanics: a misunderstanding of duality

Postby Jettins » Wed Sep 18, 2013 10:31 pm

Thumbs up for sure. This post was well thought out, brilliant. There were several angels to what you were saying that popped up in my head as I read, don't be surprised if I use some of your wording at some point to share ideas.
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